101 From "Asshole" to Authentic Leader: Alex Terranova on Vulnerability, Men’s Leadership, and Emotional Freedom

Hi, I’m Juliette Karaman, and welcome to another episode of The Scrumptious Woman! Today, I’m joined by Alex Terranova, a men's leadership coach and co-founder of Alchemy of Men. Alex shares his unorthodox journey from being what he calls an "asshole" to becoming a leader in men’s emotional development. We dive into how societal conditioning affects men, the power of vulnerability, and how they can live with more authenticity. I’m excited for you to hear this insightful conversation!

Episode Summary: 
In this episode, Alex Terranova opens up about his transformation from unhealthy behaviors, rooted in societal pressures, to embracing emotional freedom and leading men through personal growth. He discusses how masculinity is shaped by societal norms, often pushing men to suppress their emotions. Alex shares how coaching, therapy, and plant medicine helped him break free from these patterns, and he now helps other men do the same. Together, Juliette and Alex explore vulnerability, self-responsibility, and how men can create more fulfilling lives. This episode is full of practical insights for anyone on a path of self-discovery.

Key Takeaways:

1. Embracing Vulnerability: Alex explains how allowing himself to feel deeply, rather than suppressing his emotions, helped him transform both his personal and professional life.
2. The Power of Choice: Start focusing on the person you want to become in the future. This intentional focus helps guide the choices you make today.
3. Self-Responsibility: Alex stresses the importance of taking full responsibility for your life, relationships, and emotional well-being—no excuses.
4. Saying “No”: Learning to honor your boundaries by saying "no" can create space for the right opportunities and deeper connections in your life.
5. Community and Connection: Building a supportive community is key to personal growth. Alex talks about how joining men’s groups and retreats has been transformative for him and many others.

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Transcript

The Scrumptious Woman EP101

[00:00:00] Juliette Karaman: Welcome to the scrumptious woman with me. I have a very scrumptious man today Alex Terranova and. When I got his email to ask to come on the Scrumptious Woman, there was one bit that I absolutely loved. The unorthodox journey from asshole to a facilitator of men's leadership. So I'm like, okay, you've got to tell me more about this.

[00:00:27] Juliette Karaman: And I've read some of your bio. It just feels like we have a lot in common. So welcome to the Scrumptious Woman. the Scrumptious Woman. 

[00:00:33] Alex Terranova: Thanks for having me on. Appreciate it. 

[00:00:36] Juliette Karaman: I absolutely love it. So I'm going to just ask you, can you tell us a little bit what happened from asphalt to actually, leading men's groups?

[00:00:47] Juliette Karaman: And I know that you've sat with Aya and Bufo and everything. So you've uncovered a lot of yourself. 

[00:00:54] Alex Terranova: That came way later. That came way later, which I'm actually really, I often say I'm like so happy I didn't dive into plant medicines earlier because I think the experience would have not been pleasurable in any way.

[00:01:08] Alex Terranova: I think it would have been really rough. I think I did a lot of work to Here's a funny metaphor. When people have sometimes have a cleaner coming to their house, they'll run around cleaning up their house a little bit before the cleaner comes. 

[00:01:20] Juliette Karaman: I know, right? 

[00:01:21] Alex Terranova: The thing, right? I think that I did that with myself.

[00:01:25] Alex Terranova: There was something in my subconscious that had me clean myself up a little bit before I got to the cleaner. Being the plant medicine which made the experience of the plant medicine that much more potent and powerful. It was able to do what it needed to do versus I think, just having a disaster to deal with.

[00:01:41] Juliette Karaman: Whip you in the ass and then try to get you to see it's Oh, what needed to happen? 

[00:01:46] Alex Terranova: Yeah, I, the short version of this story is, I think it's important to say I grew up in Los Angeles. In the 80s and the 90s, and I think that shaped so much of the asshole that I became because I know from my earliest memories from media, from the world that I lived in, everything was about like money, looks, sexuality.

[00:02:12] Alex Terranova: And everywhere I looked, it was a kind of power, these power dynamics. And I remember as an early age thinking, Oh, that's the kind of man I want to be. And pointing to like characters on TV shows that were men who were good looking and manipulative and manipulated women and got, and it was like their whole world was about getting like the nice car, the good job and the hot woman.

[00:02:34] Alex Terranova: Again, to make the story short, I grew up and that was all that was important to me. It was like, as long as I was attractive and women wanted me, I felt good about myself. And when women didn't want me or, a bad experience with a woman would happen, I would turn to alcohol. To kind of numb that pain.

[00:02:53] Alex Terranova: And again, as little boys, we're not taught to talk about our feelings. I often think when a little girl falls down and gets hurt, somebody comes over and talks to her about how it feels. And it's kind of, it's a vocal processing. When a little boy gets hurt, it's come on, dust it off, get back in there, get back in the game, run, do whatever.

[00:03:13] Juliette Karaman: Completely. 

[00:03:14] Alex Terranova: And so when you combine those things, I then let's jump ahead. I'm now in, post college, I'm in my twenties, and I'm still feeding that part of myself that wants to be loved, that wants to be accepted with either women feeding it. Alcohol pressing down the pain we're trying to achieve success at work.

[00:03:34] Alex Terranova: And somewhere in there, I learned or decided that kind of ruffling feathers was a good, being like the bad boy was the approach that worked for me. And so I wasn't, not arrested bad boy not that. But getting close to that line where, I was not dangerous.

[00:03:54] Alex Terranova: To women or to people, but it was risky to be involved with me because I might hurt you. And really I was like trying to protect myself. So now let's jump forward into the future. And at 30, about 30 from 20 to 32, all that got ramped up. It was like dark night of the soul, drinking more, chasing more women, trying to fill myself up.

[00:04:20] Alex Terranova: And at about 32 years old, I had a moment. Where I got asked where I was, what I was grateful for, but my, by my cousin who had done a lot of deep work in her life, 

[00:04:31] Juliette Karaman: and 

[00:04:32] Alex Terranova: it was like, God smacked me in the face. I burst, I was with my family in Costa Rica, have everything that most people want, and I burst into tears and realize I'm an ungrateful jerk.

[00:04:43] Alex Terranova: I don't I'm ungrateful about, I'm not grateful for anything that I have, and I have so much more than so many people. And in that moment, I woke up, I just woke up and I went, this isn't going to be cute when I'm 40 or 50, it's not going to be. It's not going to be cute to be hanging out of the bars chasing 20 year olds.

[00:05:04] Alex Terranova: It's not going to be cute to be drinking this much. I really saw it like that. And I was like, man, I don't want to be, that's not the man I want to be as I'm, when, as I age and get older. And that realization started a journey about 10 years ago with personal development, getting therapy, coaching, transformational programs.

[00:05:28] Alex Terranova: And then eventually. To plant medicines and whatnot, but through that journey and transforming myself, I started to realize not only do I, I'm loving what I'm doing, I'm loving who I'm becoming, but I also want to help other men in this journey because I know that I'm not the only one. Many of us are stuck in some version of conditioning that we never really chose.

[00:05:51] Alex Terranova: We were too young. We chose it, but we didn't know what we were choosing. 

[00:05:55] Juliette Karaman: But the beauty, I mean, thank you so much for opening up and telling us your story. The beauty is that what you just say is you didn't have good role models, right? It would be like, Oh, these are the cool people. And I want to kind of be like them.

[00:06:10] Juliette Karaman: And as you said, as a boy, very often you said, Oh, come on, pick yourself up. Don't be sissy. Don't be pussy. Don't be this, be a strong boy. It's Being vulnerable was something that's frowned upon. And I know that now that's starting to come away. People, women, it's much more accepted that men actually speak about their feelings and we want them to.

[00:06:33] Juliette Karaman: And yet there's sometimes it's Oh, come on, I can't speak about my feelings too much. This is that, that beautiful duality, right? Like in the world, where can we actually show up as ourselves, step into the truth, be vulnerable, but not vomit everything out on everyone, but really recognize it's Hey, this is my path.

[00:06:53] Juliette Karaman: And it sounds like, you did your work and now you are leading others through that. Yeah, 

[00:06:59] Alex Terranova: and I think too, I had great, I have great parents, but so different. My dad is very old school masculine. So he gets upset. His anger kind of is very was very scary when we were younger and he would kind of storm off in his anger.

[00:07:14] Alex Terranova: And I remember thinking I don't want to be like that. So I put, so I subdued my anger. So I had no access to that. I remember feeling like my mom, who was very loving and very emotional high emotional IQ also had a lot of anxiety. And I remember being like, Oh, I don't want to be like that.

[00:07:31] Alex Terranova: And so by, I kind of pinned myself in the middle by not feeling anything, no anger, no anxiety, no fear. So then, right. There's a saying that I often use. If you don't. If you don't have a relationship with your emotions will run you. They will take over. You will become a victim to whatever emotion you don't have facility with.

[00:07:54] Alex Terranova: And so I didn't have facility with any emotions. So I was a victim to when they would show up or I was simply a victim because they didn't exist. So if you don't have emotions, you're not a human. You're not feeling anything. 

[00:08:07] Juliette Karaman: It's so funny you talk about this. I'm in the process of writing a book and my company is called Feel Fully You.

[00:08:13] Juliette Karaman: And it's all about freaking feeling, so yes, emotions and body sensations, right? And we know now through lots of studies. Emotions get stuck in the body and that's what creates disease, right? We don't move it through. If you think about animals that start shaking and moving and change and completing that trauma cycle and where we just like to get into a car accident.

[00:08:35] Juliette Karaman: It's here you go. These are my insurance papers. That loads into the body. But just to recognize that. it wasn't safe, or oftentimes people feel that it's not safe to actually access those emotions. It's easier to numb out, like you say, with shopping, sex, whatever it is, alcohol, drugs, I mean, it could be anything, right?

[00:09:00] Juliette Karaman: People are super cleaners, whatever it is, you just it's become some kind of addiction to not feel. 

[00:09:08] Alex Terranova: Absolutely. Yeah, I think we, men have a very specific, I think, there, there's women, there's work, there's sports, and then, then it can get more unacceptable in drugs and alcohol, gambling, those kinds of things.

[00:09:24] Alex Terranova: But women, if you think about women will go and they'll sit at a lunch and they'll talk about their lives together, right? Or they'll do it they'll walk around and do, talk to each other. How do men connect? They don't actually talk to each other. They sit next to each other and they focus on something in front of them.

[00:09:43] Alex Terranova: And they might have little conversation about the things, but it's almost like secondary to the sport in front of them and how, how much access or how deep are you really going to go? And I think that a lot of us as men. That's the way we learn to connect. Oh, let's go sit and watch a game and drink a beer.

[00:10:02] Alex Terranova: And it's, look, it's better than nothing, but it's kind of like taking a shower and never using soap. It's it's good. It's better to wash yourself with water than nothing. But if you never use any sort of soap. Soap, you're gonna still be dirty. 

[00:10:18] Juliette Karaman: Completely. So when you started waking up and this whole realization of there's something more out there, there's a different way of being, who were the men that you saw?

[00:10:31] Juliette Karaman: Were there groups out there? Is that some, is that how you started setting up your own groups? 

[00:10:37] Alex Terranova: Yeah. And so the way it started the first thing I started hearing about coaches and I didn't know what coaches were, but I remember so clearly being like, why are these people all happy? And I didn't understand.

[00:10:50] Alex Terranova: I thought it was fake. I thought they were rejecting this phoniness to, to do their business. And after meeting a few of them, I realized, oh, this isn't fake. These people are actually like. Happy. They're loving their lives and they're not all rich and they're not all pretty and they're not all, they don't all have partners.

[00:11:08] Alex Terranova: There's something inside of them that's working well. And that led me to a coaching program called Accomplishment Coaching. That's a year long, pretty intensive, deep dive transformational program. And I put myself in that program and that was probably the first time I saw men. Who were strong, powerful, successful, and yet could cry, could express anger, could apologize, could communicate, had facility over what was happening in their body, like the emotions, the sensations that were coming up.

[00:11:46] Alex Terranova: I specifically remember, He's now one of the leaders in my organization, in my retreat, but a man named Mark Hunter, who was my coach for a few years. He was one of my first mentors. We were sitting in a room and he just found out his dog that he'd had for years was dying. His wife called him. And he was going to leave leading this weekend.

[00:12:10] Alex Terranova: To go be with his dog. And I remember sitting there and he powerful man, and he started crying, sharing about his dog and how much his dog meant to him and how his dog had been with him through all these things and that he was going to leave. And that was a big deal for him to leave, to go see his dog.

[00:12:26] Alex Terranova: And I remember at the time thinking it's a dog, like I didn't get it. Like I could not soften enough to understand Like to me, it felt like a weakness and that that trigger in me that I push so against Oh, this is so weak. Why is he doing that? How do you actually look at it? And when I looked at it, what I realized was, wow, I've never actually let myself love something enough that it could break me so that I've never actually loved something.

[00:12:57] Alex Terranova: Because that's the other, that's the duality of love, right? If you love something You know that it's going to be gone and what either you're going to be gone or it's going to be gone. But that, that we all come and we all go. And that was a huge wake up moment because I had massive respect for this man, yet I couldn't understand how he could fall apart.

[00:13:18] Alex Terranova: And that led to an introspective journey on me of why am I afraid to fall apart? And why am I afraid to feel? And ultimately, the man who started that organization, Christopher McAuliffe and Mark Hunter were probably two of the first men that I knew in person that I really saw. And they were very different, but I really saw the, hey, you can be strong and feel deeply.

[00:13:43] Alex Terranova: And that actually makes you stronger. It actually makes you more human. It actually makes you more more of a leader. 

[00:13:50] Juliette Karaman: Yeah. And that's it, right? We want to turn to leaders that are trustworthy and that we feel safe with. And that can actually show us their vulnerability and Oftentimes, because of them doing that, we can take the shortcut and not have to go through all the ups and downs that they've done, right?

[00:14:08] Juliette Karaman: And even if we do, it's oh, there's a way out because they know and they can kind of actually just given us those codes they've shown us. So yeah, beautiful. So now one other thing that stood out is your anti excuses coach. That's how you've been dubbed. Say more about that. 

[00:14:29] Alex Terranova: I was I was interviewed for Yahoo finance and they were talking to me about the types of clients I have and who I work with.

[00:14:36] Alex Terranova: And one of the things that came up was I love to be the person that tells somebody who doesn't have the truth told to them the truth, right? So the CEO, the executive, the C suites the business owner who won't listen to everyone or listen to anyone. It's a fun role to be in. It's a fun role to kind of be there, Jiminy Cricket on their shoulder telling them the truth whether they like it or not.

[00:14:58] Alex Terranova: We live in a culture, in a world, I think this is pretty, I can't speak for all cultures because I don't know, but Western culture we're very committed to our circumstances being the truth. Oh, we can't do it because the government, or we can't do it because our partner, or we can't do it because our boss, or because we don't have enough money, or we don't have time it's always about the circumstances.

[00:15:23] Alex Terranova: Yeah. And I, and nothing great really lands in our lap. We got to go. It doesn't mean it takes hard work, but we got to go do something. We have to go create the things in the life you want, whether it be external things like achievements or internal things like self love and mental health.

[00:15:44] Alex Terranova: And to me The excuses are what we've been conditioned to keep ourselves still and stuck. So if you want something other than what you have, you gotta give up the excuses. And start figuring out how it doesn't mean it's going to be easy. It doesn't mean it's going to be fun, but the only way to cultivate what you want, whether it be a relationship, more money, a better job, a better relationship with your kids is to take full responsibility for you and everything that's happening in your life and start working from there.

[00:16:20] Juliette Karaman: I love this. So I started out as a relationship and intimacy coach and people are always like, Oh my God, you only talk about sex. I'm like, Nope, it's actually about the intimacy, but the honesty, but the vulnerability that you can start having with yourself and in a marriage or in a relationship, that means taking a hundred percent responsibility.

[00:16:42] Juliette Karaman: It's not a 50, 50 job. It's no, each of you take a hundred percent responsibility. 100 percent responsibility. And what you're saying about the anti excuses, it's, when I coach my coaches, when I do my mastermind, like yesterday I led a lot mastermind. And I was like, okay, guys, we have 90 days.

[00:17:02] Juliette Karaman: It's we're in the last quarter. What do you want to actually call in? I said, I can go really masculine on you and say, what's your intention? What's your goal? What's your action step? And by when, I said, and that's not my way. Which doesn't matter if it's my way or not way, but let's actually be really intentional because having a goal without an action step is just, a wish.

[00:17:26] Juliette Karaman: Yeah. So let's get some proper action steps in. And what is it that you need to say no to? Because if you just keep saying yes to everything, you're not going to get what you want. That means your energy is scattered and you can't focus on the one or two or three things that you want to. Yeah, 

[00:17:49] Alex Terranova: if we don't, I learned this from somebody, a woman I worked with at one point, and she was like, you don't honor the no, and I didn't understand what that meant.

[00:17:59] Alex Terranova: And what I came to understand was, how can we honor the yes, if we don't honor the no. They both have to exist. And whether that be outwardly, like I'm working with someone or I'm in a relationship with someone and they say no, or they say yes to something, or within myself. If I actually can't powerfully take responsibility for my yeses and my no's.

[00:18:22] Alex Terranova: Then it's almost like a seesaw that's not balanced, it's there. There is no perfect balance in life, right? We're like always ebbing and flowing and I think for everything you say yes to you're actually saying no to something else And everything you say no to you're actually saying yes to something else a massive part of the responsibility that when you do say no, can you take responsibility for the like repercussions or the consequences of that?

[00:18:51] Alex Terranova: No. And when you say yes, can you take full responsibility of the repercussions and the consequences of the yes? 

[00:18:57] Juliette Karaman: Completely. And I was talking on a summit this weekend and I just said, no is a full sentence. And the host just looked at me and said, Oh my God. I'm like, it's. I'm not the one that said that the first, I'm sure I heard it, I picked it up somewhere.

[00:19:13] Juliette Karaman: But she's Oh, I actually just don't remember the last time that I just said no. And not no because, and give a reason, it's it's hella uncomfortable at first to just say no. But then after a while, it feels kind of good to start feeling what it's like in your body just to say no a few times. 

[00:19:32] Alex Terranova: I think for women specifically, I, and I learned this from a dad who had only daughters and he told me, he goes, I teach my daughters to say no to me and my wife.

[00:19:44] Alex Terranova: And I was like, I don't, why would you teach your children? Most parents are teaching their children to listen to what they say. When children say no, parents usually get mad. And he said, if my daughters don't know how to say no, things are going to happen in life that we don't want to happen. And he said, most of us are conditioning our children to not say no to an authority or in a power dynamic.

[00:20:10] Alex Terranova: And somehow. We're, with the privilege of being a man, we break out of that. We learn to say no, we learn, and I don't understand the conditioning that has that happen, but I do, but I can see that, right, as women, that wanting to please doesn't necessarily get broken. And.

[00:20:28] Alex Terranova: I think what you're saying, it's really powerful. I think specifically with women, it's really powerful to learn, to say no to get, be really clear on what you want and don't want. And I think we have to teach that as a young age. And I think we have to teach the opposite side too, right?

[00:20:42] Alex Terranova: Like men have to like, Men as little boys need to understand that like authority conversation and understand what no means when they hear it. What yes means when they hear it, how to dive deeper into both. And also that none of it means anything else. There's no other meaning That no is a full sentence.

[00:20:59] Alex Terranova: There's no, oh, what does that no mean? It doesn't mean anything. It just means no. 

[00:21:04] Juliette Karaman: It's a no for now sometimes, right? I'm like I'm a no for now. And then when I said that too, I remember my current part, when I said that, I'm like, oh, I'm a no for now. I was like, oh, I'm like, So I'm like, what do you have it mean about you?

[00:21:18] Juliette Karaman: And he's actually nothing. You just said it's a no for now. You might change your mind and that's great. I don't need to put any pressure on you. I don't need to think that I did something wrong. I was like, there you go. Do you see the mind fuck that we get ourselves into when we hear a no? Actually it's just it's a no for now.

[00:21:35] Juliette Karaman: Don't. 

[00:21:36] Alex Terranova: Yeah, we've been conditioned to think it's bad, right? No is, we're so conditioned to think no is bad or wrong or we've done something bad. It's just a choice. 

[00:21:47] Juliette Karaman: Completely. Alex, tell me, how can people work with you and What is something that you would tell your 25 year old now? 

[00:21:59] Alex Terranova: Oh man, I think everything Let's start 

[00:22:01] Juliette Karaman: with that one and then we'll ask, then I'll ask you how people can work with you.

[00:22:06] Alex Terranova: 25 year old me. 25 year old me was 

[00:22:11] Juliette Karaman: or anyone that wants to start on this practice thinking it's like, Hey, I'm at this point where I know I want more out of life than what I'm 

[00:22:19] Alex Terranova: getting. I think I'm struggling with it because I'm like, I don't think 25 year old me would have heard anything that I said.

[00:22:25] Alex Terranova: So I'm like, I don't know what I think 25 year old me would have been said. I don't care what you're what you think. Right. It was so I just I wasn't 

[00:22:34] Juliette Karaman: there. Yeah, I wasn't 

[00:22:35] Alex Terranova: ready. Yeah, but I think that for someone else who's actually open, right? I wasn't open yet to anything. I think like you got to start choosing the person you want to be in the future.

[00:22:47] Alex Terranova: To me, that's the, that's where a lot of people get it wrong is I think a lot of people are focused on what are the goal, the external things, what are the goals we want? What do we want to achieve? What do we want to do? And my twist is let's focus on the person you want to be. So let's imagine if you're 25 or you're 30.

[00:23:04] Alex Terranova: Let's take a moment and imagine you as a man or a woman at 50, 60, 70, whatever that is, and picture that person in your mind. Who are they? How do they behave? How do they show up? What do people think about them? What are you proud of them for? What settings are they in? And if you can lock into that person that you want to be, then we go, okay, the only way we become that person is little bits at a time all the way there, right?

[00:23:29] Alex Terranova: We don't become it overnight. If that's who we want to be, how would we have to start behaving today to have that person be the result? And for a lot of people, it becomes very clear, really fast. Oh, I need to stop drinking. I need to get out of this relationship. I need to start working on myself. I need a different job.

[00:23:49] Alex Terranova: I need to be healthy. I need, to, start reading, but it becomes very clear. And I think the behaviors like, Oh, that man or that woman is a person of integrity, love, commitment. Great. How do we start creating integrity, love, and commitment now? So by the time you're there, it'll just be part of who you are.

[00:24:09] Juliette Karaman: And who do you surround yourself with, right? Who do you say no to? All of that, I love that. Beautiful. If there are any men or women listening to you, but I think, especially it's, I have a lot of females in my, my listenership, but there's a lot of men that actually want to be.

[00:24:28] Juliette Karaman: more conscious that want to be able to be with their woman in a certain way. How can people get in touch with you? What do you offer? Are there courses? Are there retreats? What's the way to work with you? 

[00:24:42] Alex Terranova: Yeah, there's mostly two ways. I'm the co founder of a company called Alchemy of Men. So you can go to alchemymenretreats.

[00:24:49] Alex Terranova: com and we've created we're about to have our 6th. By the time this comes out, we'll be in 2025. So we'll be on our 2025 calendar. We'll have a handful of retreats in 2025. They're all over the states. We're actually going to have one that's co ed for the first time. We found two, two very powerful female leaders to lead it with us.

[00:25:08] Alex Terranova: But most of our retreats are just men. And the premise is How do we deconstruct all the conditioning that you've been conditioned to, to believe who you are, what you are, why you are as a man, how it's holding you back your relationships, money, career, happiness. And ultimately we, we do mindfulness work.

[00:25:29] Alex Terranova: We do physical, we have some physical exercises. We do somatic work. We sit around a fire together every night. We bring in, all aspects of mind, body, and spirit to help men figure out and decide. The kind of man that they want to be, so I think that's what makes us really different is a lot of organizations tell men you should be like this.

[00:25:48] Alex Terranova: This is what a man should be like. And we are like no, you need to decide as a man, the kind of man you want to be to create the life you want to live. And so we help men cultivate that in community together. So the alchemy of men is a great place for men to start, whether they've done a lot of work or done no work.

[00:26:07] Alex Terranova: They're welcome to join us. Perfect. Like I said, we'll do one with women next year too. And then I have a one on one practice, which I typically work with leaders C suites. Often I have a lot of blue collar business owners contractors, plumbers, electricians that own companies and want to become better leaders that are, they're very deep in the work with men and they want to understand how to motivate, lead and grow their companies in a way that is actually effective.

[00:26:31] Alex Terranova: And brings fulfillment and space so they can live their lives and have great relationships. 

[00:26:37] Juliette Karaman: Love that. Where do they contact you about that? 

[00:26:40] Alex Terranova: AlexTerranovaCoaching. com. 

[00:26:43] Juliette Karaman: Excellent. So this will all be in the show notes. So please have a look at the show. Alex, it's been an absolute delight having you you really walk your walk and talk your talk.

[00:26:55] Juliette Karaman: So 

[00:26:56] Alex Terranova: it's great. Thanks for having me. Appreciate it. Thanks for receiving my email and inviting me onto your show. 

[00:27:01] Juliette Karaman: Absolutely. I've had lots of fun. And of course, as always, please share this with anyone that you feel could really get that little nugget that, or lots of nuggets that we shared today.

[00:27:15] Juliette Karaman: Much love.