093 Astrology Unveiled: Navigating Life's Path with Suzanne Gerber

Hello, lovely listeners! Juliette Karaman here, welcoming you to another enriching episode of The Scrumptious Woman. Today, I'm thrilled to be joined by the insightful Suzanne Gerber, a distinguished astrologer known for her practical and profound insights into the cosmos. Join us as we delve into the fascinating world of astrology and discover how the stars can guide us towards our true purpose.

Episode Summary

In this episode, Suzanne Gerber shares her journey from a childhood fascination with the night sky to becoming a professional astrologer. She explains how astrology can offer profound insights into our personalities and life paths by understanding our natal charts. Suzanne discusses the importance of aligning with our true selves and the role of astrology in helping us navigate life's challenges. We also explore how our energies and frequencies influence the experiences we attract and how understanding our astrological blueprint can lead to greater self-awareness and fulfilment.

Key Takeaways

1. Understanding Astrology: Suzanne explains that astrology is not about predicting the future but understanding the energies at play and how they influence our lives.
2. The Role of Free Will: While our natal charts reveal potentials, we have the free will to choose how we express these energies.
3. Aligning with Purpose: Astrology can help us identify our strengths and challenges, providing clarity on our life’s purpose and how to achieve harmony.
4. Practical Application: Suzanne emphasises the practical aspects of astrology, helping individuals make informed decisions and better understand their relationships.

You can connect with Suzanne Gerber through the following:

• Website: starsandstoneshealing.com
• Complimentary Call Booking: asksuzanne.com
• Facebook Group: Soul Purpose Astrology - A private group for those interested in exploring astrology in depth.

Additionally, Suzanne sends out newsletters that offer entertaining and informative insights into astrology. You can join her community via her website or social media to receive updates and further information.

Thank you for joining us on this cosmic journey. Remember, the stars are a guide, but the power to shape our lives lies within us.

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Transcript

The Scrumptious Woman EP93

[00:00:00] Juliette Karaman: And another episode of this scrumptious woman and I have with me Suzanne Gerber. You are an incredible astrologist and I never understand any of this stuff. So I'm so thrilled that you wrote me. You said, listen, let me share my story with you. This is what I help people with. And I'd love to really understand what was it?

[00:00:23] Juliette Karaman: What was the moment that brought you to this? Sorry about that. 

[00:00:30] Suzanne Gerber: Yeah, throw me in, Julia. Welcome, 

[00:00:31] Juliette Karaman: welcome, welcome to the Sculptures Woman. 

[00:00:34] Suzanne Gerber: Sorry. I don't think there was a moment. I actually think, people are just born with certain proclivities and interests, right? And, little boys that are just like taking trucks or things apart.

[00:00:45] Suzanne Gerber: I just was always fascinated with the night sky. From the, before I even understood what it was and how it was different and what it might suggest, I was obsessed with it. I drew the planets for a school project. I started talking about astrology. I had, when I was age, 10, a very weird experience with a Ouija board where it spelled out my grandmother's name and she had just died and didn't know this.

[00:01:13] Suzanne Gerber: And I just knew from that moment on that things were not like they seemed. So I just got on a quest, but the planets always, people had pulled in different directions for esoteric understanding or divination. My sister, for example. a psychologist, professional, is a palm reader, and a tarot card reader.

[00:01:34] Suzanne Gerber: So I just think, and we're very close, and I just think that, I think families come in with certain gifts people that are just all mus everybody in their family's musical or something. I think we have this in us, and I just wanted to develop it and learn it, and not dabble, because I'm actually a very serious person.

[00:01:53] Suzanne Gerber: In fact, I call this my serious woo, practical woo. Go as far out as you want, but if you can't bring it back and have it be meaningful for someone's life and help explain things and help clarify things and help give them validation where they don't feel understood or supported you're not really doing real astrology, right?

[00:02:13] Suzanne Gerber: You're telling stories. 

[00:02:15] Juliette Karaman: Love that. And a lot of storytelling is, helps as well and may not be the right. It might just be advice. It might not be the right frequency for that person, right? I know that you and I were talking about portals earlier and it sounds like the Ouija board was your portal.

[00:02:35] Juliette Karaman: It was like, oh, you actually understood that we're all frequency, we're energy, and that you can receive messages, right? Through whatever way and which then had you really look into the planets and how else can you make sense of people when they were born, when they came into this body. 

[00:02:56] Suzanne Gerber: I love what you just said, because we really are all energy and all energy.

[00:03:01] Suzanne Gerber: exists with frequencies. That's how you measure. It's how you detect and measure energy. It's vibration. How we attract things to us. It's how we express ourselves. It's why are we inextricably drawn to somebody. It's not their baby blue eyes. That might be appealing, but it's nice. But we're drawn to something about them that we can't always identify.

[00:03:22] Suzanne Gerber: And this is what we're really talking about is finding vibrational matches. And until we wake up and understand that we can direct it and influence it and co create with it, we're just at the mercy of wherever we are. And if we haven't done any inner work, if we haven't become more self aware, people always say, ah, I just keep dating the same guy, which is not in a good way.

[00:03:45] Suzanne Gerber: Why? It's them, right? It's their frequency that is calling this in because we can't be with things that aren't a vibrational match. 

[00:03:54] Juliette Karaman: And isn't that funny? I love how you say that. Oh, I keep getting all these bad boys. Yeah. I started out as a relationship coach and an intimacy coach. And that would be the thing.

[00:04:04] Juliette Karaman: Like I can't ever keep a man. I'm like, and that's a pattern. And let's actually notice where you can break that pattern and where you can step into a different time or where you can step into a different frequency. Let's make you aware of it. And then, That's the next steps to take. So it's, I love it how you just pinpoint it.

[00:04:25] Juliette Karaman: Because a lot of people, when they hear about astrology, they're like, oh, we'll read what my day is today. What's, when there were newspapers for people, we'd read, like for me, it was like, oh, Taurus what's today going to bring me? And it was more with curiosity than actually really believing in it.

[00:04:41] Juliette Karaman: And it was funny when I talked to you earlier, I said, listen, I've had my charts done. And it just, Doesn't stick with me. There's something in me that's just yeah, I like it. I take it on board, but I just don't know how to apply it. 

[00:04:55] Suzanne Gerber: I think some people have a natural or they develop a pretty quickly an understanding of that.

[00:05:02] Suzanne Gerber: But this isn't something you just watch somebody do some dance moves and you go, Oh, I could copy that. It isn't like that. There really is. knowledge that has to be internalized and understood. And then we get more sophisticated with it and we start to see all the possibilities and all the combinations that it could be.

[00:05:20] Suzanne Gerber: And even combinations can play out on different levels, different frequencies. We look at twins. I've got twins. I've got a set of twins. They're so different. That's exactly where I was going with this. Twins can have the same DNA, virtually the same chart, there might be the subtlest little differences, and yet the charts express differently because they're different souls, even though they were in utero together.

[00:05:48] Suzanne Gerber: Two different souls coming together to experience this sameness, this closeness. But then, to individuate and it becomes even more interesting for twins because sometimes they have to work a little harder to individuate because there's somebody walking around on the planet who could be mistaken for them.

[00:06:06] Juliette Karaman: And it's funny because mine are non identical so one's blonde and one's brunette. And they are so different and at times I just look at them like two minutes apart and, but like whole worlds apart, they're each other's best friends and also they have 

[00:06:22] Suzanne Gerber: they can really fight.

[00:06:24] Suzanne Gerber: Of course, but that's most siblings. 

[00:06:26] Juliette Karaman: All four of mine, but at the same time, it's like this bond. I've always wondered, Yeah, because they shared a bedroom for a while when they were growing up and I've always wondered what is it like to be in a womb together, right? Of course they don't remember, but still it's it's just interesting that astrology can put such a different twist on that and can really, Share some light on it.

[00:06:51] Suzanne Gerber: And it's interesting because it isn't the astrology that's putting the different twists. Astrology is the same, right? Yes, of course. Two people born two minutes apart, that's the same chart. But It's how they express it. It's what they choose. It's that free will. It's that unique spark. There's all kinds of esoteric traditions have given different names to it.

[00:07:12] Suzanne Gerber: It's that thing that exists inside of us. James Hillman, the great philosopher and psychologist says, it's like an acorn that we're all born with us, that starts to grow and develop and becomes. The mighty oak, but it's within us and it's how it's nurtured. Is it supported? And given a lot of strength and reinforcement, is it pushed down or held back?

[00:07:36] Suzanne Gerber: And that's not the astrology. That's the humanity. 

[00:07:40] Juliette Karaman: Completely. And this, I think where it's also, it's been beautiful to see, I have a set of twins, my sister passed away, but she also has a set of twins. So just to see the differences and the similarities and when does one of them blossom and when does the other and it doesn't have to be the same time at all.

[00:07:58] Juliette Karaman: And it's just super fascinating. But tell me more about it. 

[00:08:05] Suzanne Gerber: A chart. A chart is a blueprint. It's a set of potentials. Sometimes, Juliet, I think of it as a suggestion. What could you be? In one manner of speaking, we could be anything, right? But not really. I could never be a professional basketball player.

[00:08:25] Suzanne Gerber: It's just, it's not going to happen, ever. But, the good news is it's never been a desire of mine. But within a certain framework, within a certain blueprint, there are so many possibilities that we can develop along. And I think, I come from, I'm classically trained, but there's a lot of different types of astrology.

[00:08:46] Suzanne Gerber: And one of the things that I most strongly identify is a branch called evolutionary astrology, which is very focused on the soul's journey in this lifetime. Now that doesn't mean that we're meant to spend our lives meditating in caves and, foregoing interpersonal relationships and shopping trips.

[00:09:05] Suzanne Gerber: It doesn't mean that at all. It just simply means we want to understand. That what we see as our life is actually several different tracks, right? So we're existing on a physical plane. We exist on an emotional, psychological level. There's a healing path, but then there's the spiritual path. And they're all important.

[00:09:28] Suzanne Gerber: They're all important. But when they can Kind of line up with each other and support each other. That's where we get into wholeness. So we're not just here to have fun and we're not just here to learn lessons. There really is an integration of all these things and the chart will, can, as interpreted by the right people, it can show all of the above.

[00:09:52] Suzanne Gerber: And so when I'm teaching people and they will how do you read a chart? I said Back it up. Why does somebody want a reading? You might go off on this whole big spiritual explanation of their soul and their past lives and their challenges and their nemeses. And they go, I know, but are we going to get married?

[00:10:10] Suzanne Gerber: Am I going to get that job? Should I move to the country? If that's what they want to talk about. That's what we're going to look for. But then on the other hand, don't go in and talk to them about, oh, I see you moving. And they're like, I'm not going to move. This is my family home. This is where I live. I want to talk about my sole purpose and why I keep struggling to identify it.

[00:10:29] Suzanne Gerber: The chart has the potential. to reveal everything. Sometimes I'll say, it's not actually the astrology, it's the astrologer and his or her gifts of interpretation, but also intuition, because we have to feel what this chart is trying to express. 

[00:10:50] Juliette Karaman: Completely, isn't it? And I love how you really pinpointed it.

[00:10:55] Juliette Karaman: It's the ability to read the chart and to read the energy of that person, right? First of all, what's your intention? Why do you want to have it read? So it's like the blueprint of who we are or what's possible, but then also to hone into the section what. We may need at that point where we may want a bit of clarity and I do something called spinal attunement and I work in the energy and all the different bodies and then the body goes into a spinal wave, which is beautiful.

[00:11:28] Juliette Karaman: People start actually moving the energy through and I also just do it because I see where they're, Where there is just some stuck energy. I'm not going to work on say their bass, if I see that their shoulders need a bit of releasing, or there is some, there's some emotions stuck there. It's just it's like a virtuoso playing an instrument.

[00:11:49] Suzanne Gerber: That's beautiful. I love that. And I think what you're saying is very akin, in a very different way, but very analogous to what I'm saying. There's a flow that people have come in and they've asked, I, people who do a reading with me, whether they're first time people or return people, I always say, what are your interests for the reading?

[00:12:08] Suzanne Gerber: Never problems. What are your interests? And people might spell it out these things and ask some questions. And then I get into the chart and then I look at the way. The planets in the sky are forming angles to those natal planets that we call those transits. And we see what's getting activated. And I've actually said to a few people on occasion, you're asking the wrong question.

[00:12:33] Suzanne Gerber: Because I can see what the soul is trying to express their experience. And they're trying to keep it maybe stuck in a certain box. And it's looking to have a very different experience. 

[00:12:46] Juliette Karaman: Ah, isn't that wonderful? All right, so I can really understand where people are like, what's my purpose? That's one of the biggest things in my masterminds and in my my, my courses where people like but I'm here to serve a bigger purpose.

[00:13:02] Juliette Karaman: And then they get all into their heads about it and they're like, Oh, what is it? What is it? I'm like, Slow down. Yeah, there's also that element of feeling safe enough for everything to come out, but I love that you can actually pinpoint and say, like all the great masters say, ask the right questions and then you'll get the right answers, right?

[00:13:25] Juliette Karaman: But it's oh, how can I make 10, 000 tomorrow? Yeah, you're not going to get that answer. But if it's the questions like what awareness and energetic frequency can I be in to actually serve humanity and make sure that there is safety, for me, Middle East is a big thing, right? I want to make sure that there's safety and that people can actually interact together and that there's enough water and enough food and, bring women to power there and then stuff.

[00:13:51] Juliette Karaman: So if I ask questions for that, then that's my vision. And then the money will come in. 

[00:13:58] Suzanne Gerber: That's exactly it. Who is trying to attract the money? Why are you trying to attract the money? Is this aligned with your truth? People will say to me, Is this, but is this going to happen? People will really say, will this, will someone else in my life do this?

[00:14:15] Suzanne Gerber: And I'll look at them, very caringly and I'll say, I haven't the fiviest idea. And neither do you. And as of this moment, they may not either, but we can pull the curtain back. We can step back and we could see what are the dynamics here? Are you reinforcing something maybe that feels pressurizing to them where they're going to pull away and not.

[00:14:38] Suzanne Gerber: be motivated or inspired to do what you think you want or need. Maybe you think you want it, need it, and it's just going to keep you propelling, being propelled on the wrong path, right? So instead of being open, instead of pushing and trying to push, pull all the strings. What would happen if we just get into alignment, find our truth, set our own compass?

[00:15:01] Suzanne Gerber: Because we're meant to do that, right? We're meant to have desires and goals and objectives and to follow through on them and pursue them. But what if we just did that, but let the universe, let the divine take care of all the details? 

[00:15:18] Juliette Karaman: What I'm hearing is trust. 

[00:15:22] Suzanne Gerber: Oh, trust is fundamental, right?

[00:15:24] Suzanne Gerber: And so many people, and we know this, there's such an awakening. It's like a movement, almost. A lot of people are waking up to how their trust was broken. How their power was stolen from them at a very early age. Some, from, minor, unpleasant treatment to some really horrific things.

[00:15:45] Suzanne Gerber: And when they're trying to heal they really come to this point of realizing they don't trust anyone, even themselves. There's just simply no trust because it was stolen before they had a chance to even become aware of how vital it is. 

[00:16:01] Juliette Karaman: And that's the beauty, right? I work with a lot of people that have massive sexual trauma on board or try to commit suicide or their children have committed suicide and just, there's no trust left, right?

[00:16:12] Juliette Karaman: And it actually nodes into the body. So the body holds on to that emotional charge to that trauma. And to re find that trust, that is probably the biggest piece of my work, I would say.

[00:16:30] Suzanne Gerber: Yeah, that's great. And I love that you, I don't know, people are probably listening more than watching, but you were going into your center body and you were, I feel like that was some vagus nerve resetting, some nervous system, and how to get back in there and not let it hijack you, but to be interacting with it so that you feel safe, so that you feel empowered, so that you feel free to express your truth.

[00:16:55] Juliette Karaman: Completely. Now I loved when you first came on and I showed you my house and you're like, Oh, can I do your chart? You must be this and that. Tell me more about that. Tell the listeners more about that because I just found that really fascinating. 

[00:17:10] Suzanne Gerber: What's really fascinating, Julia, which I said to you, you gave me your time, which is on your birth certificate, and it actually, there are people born, say, on the same day as you, May 21st.

[00:17:20] Suzanne Gerber: There's other people born on February 19th. These are the, we call them cusps, like the threshold, where one sign ends and the next begins. Signs don't end at midnight. Coupons might expire at midnight tonight, but that's not how the signs work, because clock time and star time are not aligned.

[00:17:41] Suzanne Gerber: They're close, but why do we have a leap year? A leap year. That's absurd when you think about it, but we have to make up for it somehow. There's a flow and these days, these are man made distinctions, calendars, clocks and things like that. So on certain days, just because of the way our human system we need everything rigid and aligned.

[00:18:04] Suzanne Gerber: And so for some people born on those days, the sun actually changes signs. And even more frequently, the moon will change signs every two and a half days. So this is why it's so important to try to find our. actual birth time. Not, oh, my mother said it was early morning. That's really hard to work with, right?

[00:18:26] Suzanne Gerber: But we work with what we can. But for you, back to you you were born at the last second. So there's 12 signs and we're in a 360 degree circle. So that very neatly means there's 30 degrees in every sign. And what that means is in each degree, There's 60 seconds, right? But the 60th second becomes the next degree.

[00:18:52] Suzanne Gerber: So you happen to be born at, if your time is accurate, at 29 degrees and 59 Minutes. So this means, and a lot of people have different interpretations, but the way I think of it in a very, I like to simplify things for people. You have completed the entire Taurus curriculum for this lifetime, except there's one last exam.

[00:19:20] Suzanne Gerber: that you have to pass to move on to the next level of experience. So people who have late degrees, we often will see a great mastery really great talent. They've done a lot in that field. I'm looking at your home. You showed me the outside. I'm like, that is just so Taurus. It is so beautiful and so perfect.

[00:19:41] Suzanne Gerber: Perfect. It's also my rising sign. So there's something naturally that I'm very drawn to with that. There's a shared sense of aesthetics, a sense of comfort and beauty and very judicious use of color. This is very Taurus especially the comfort. It's very inviting. You probably host the most fabulous dinner parties, I would think.

[00:20:03] Juliette Karaman: I do. I'm a great cook. I used to be the interior designer. So yes, all of that spot on. 

[00:20:11] Suzanne Gerber: It's not that you couldn't be a Gemini. It's just, that's not evidence for me of Gemini. That says, I live in Florida, we get a lot of hurricanes and storms, and we have terrific meteorologists, and there's one in particular that a lot of us follow, and he's you follow this, you follow me, you watch this, you do your preparations, but then when it comes, stop following me, stand outside, and see what it's doing.

[00:20:34] Suzanne Gerber: And that's astrology. You prepare, you look, you study, you follow the experts, but then you just You have the conversation. Does she feel more Torian? Does she feel more Gemini? And then we look at the other thing, and then yours happens to be in The chart sector, we call them houses. You're in the domestic house.

[00:20:54] Suzanne Gerber: So this is so important. It's also family. You've already talked about your family. This, these are your values. This is the essence of you. But that's not all of you. That's why we don't play sun sign games. You're a lot more than a Taurus. Your moon is in Pisces. Pisces is the intuitive, it's the sensitive, it's the sensing, it's the receiving, it's that part of you that just gets information.

[00:21:19] Suzanne Gerber: Maybe through your skin. It's strong Pisces energy when they just know something, they say it and people go, how did you know that? And they always will say, I don't know. I just know. And when you put them together, that's just and we're just building a story, right? Because we really want to look at each other.

[00:21:38] Suzanne Gerber: Every single thing in the chart. How does this support the hypothesis? This is what I think of. I always think of myself as building a case. Is it this? Oh, but what about that? That tells me something different. We're not all one note, are we? We're complex. We're even contradictory sometimes, right? We love to eat, but we want to watch, our body.

[00:21:59] Suzanne Gerber: We're contradictions, right? And so we start to put it all together. When I put the Taurus and the Pisces together, they're both what we call feminine, and I don't mean girly, yeah, receptive, waiting, cooperative. They read the room rather than go in and just Start making demands of the people in it.

[00:22:19] Suzanne Gerber: That would be the masculine, the yang signs, the aries, the leos, these type of people, right? And so this is like a natural appreciation of people, of beauty. Of things like that. But then I know you do healing work, so we'd want to start to look. So we hear something, we hear words translated into astrology, healing.

[00:22:40] Suzanne Gerber: Okay, that's got to be her sixth house or Virgo. We look at your sixth house, the six of the twelve. You have the sign of Cancer on your sixth house. That's the caring, the compassion, the feminine, the nurturance. Cancer's the sign is ruled by a planet, the moon. We just talked about your moon, the Pisces.

[00:23:01] Suzanne Gerber: So this reinforces the intuitive, but then the Taurus is the actual somatic, the embodiment. This isn't just, Oh, let's just take a journey. It's no, we want to get this in the body intuitively, using your compassion, your sensitivity. You're going to work with other people and help them find this, find, you could say the pain.

[00:23:23] Suzanne Gerber: I always rather focus on the healing in the body. So this is. These are, this is like squares one through three of how we start to work with a chart. 

[00:23:34] Juliette Karaman: I love this. Obviously it's for me, but it also is for the listeners. For me, it's wow, someone that's actually explained who I am to a T. I really like that.

[00:23:47] Juliette Karaman: And yes, I'm 56. So it's also, I'm in that time that I just I'm more stepping into my sageness into the crown. But it's just so interesting how you can really fine tune it to the individual. Oh my goodness, I'm mind blown. 

[00:24:03] Suzanne Gerber: I've had people accuse me of reading their journals. 

[00:24:07] Suzanne Gerber: People I've never met, people in other countries, because you can feel it.

[00:24:13] Suzanne Gerber: You learn how to work with it. That's the left brain, but then you let the right brain get involved. And not just the brain. It's not even all brain. It's heart. It's gut. When I'm doing energy work with people, which is something else I do additionally, I will, and you probably get this too, Julia, I will literally feel in my body.

[00:24:33] Suzanne Gerber: Okay. the sensation they're having. And I don't think of myself as necessarily like an empath. And there are people like that, but we could train ourselves and it's not really a training to, it's a training to undo, right? To stop being analytical, to stop trying to put words to it, to stop trying to fit it neatly into a pigeonhole, but just to let it come in And sometimes we don't even know what we're getting.

[00:24:59] Suzanne Gerber: And we'll just say it back to the person. And I remember doing A shamanic practice called the soul retrieval, where we go into the lower world, and it's like it just, it's a psychological reintegration of a part that's been dissociated. It's the same thing, different approach, right? And so we're in the underworld, and then at the very end, when we gather some information, we say, is there a spirit animal that would like to appear?

[00:25:27] Suzanne Gerber: My training is, it's North American, it's South American, we usually get like woodland creatures, you'll get a deer, maybe a bear, a bunny. I'm doing this reading and what should show up as this person's power animal, but a kangaroo in the middle of a field. And I'm like, okay, wait, that can't be wrong.

[00:25:45] Suzanne Gerber: Is there a spirit animal that would like, I do it again. It's the kangaroo. The kangaroo is like right here. It's me. And I come back up and I'm sharing the story with the woman. And I say, look, I know this is going to sound crazy, but you do have a spirit animal and it's it's just is very close to you.

[00:26:04] Suzanne Gerber: And it's a kangaroo. And she just goes, Oh my God. She couldn't believe it. And she proceeds to tell me a story from her, from like being a tiny little girl and her parents wanting to get her. Something, like a little stuffed animal, what would you want? She said, a kangaroo. And they got it. And it led into an obsession.

[00:26:27] Suzanne Gerber: She's North American. To an obsession with Australia. She wound up living there, having an Australian community. So this was not random. And so we really learned to trust what shows up. 

[00:26:40] Juliette Karaman: Completely. I've had, I've done shamanic journeys after my sister passed away. I went on a vision quest in Spain, border Spain, France, and wild horses came and there was no food, no water.

[00:26:54] Juliette Karaman: And I lost my water. So I had to go to the stream. And it's just incredible. The information that comes through when you're out in the boonies, you have no electronics, nothing, but. The intuition, your antenna to actually receive everything that's already up. 

[00:27:12] Suzanne Gerber: Yeah. And I would just add, and it's still, we have to switch off that left brain because I could be out in nature.

[00:27:21] Suzanne Gerber: I could be out in the most remote place in the world and my hyper analytical brain could still trip me up if I don't keep it under control. 

[00:27:30] Juliette Karaman: And it did. I lost my big flask of water, so I had to go down to the stream every day and it was like an hour and a half, and then back up to my tent.

[00:27:41] Juliette Karaman: And then at one point I just got so tired and I'd lost my sister a few months before and I was like, why am I doing this? And I was crying in my tent late at night, and three horses came, the wild horses of the Basque Country, and they just nudged me. Through the tent wall, and it was like she adored horses, so I was like, okay, thank you.

[00:28:06] Juliette Karaman: I came out of there looking like an elephant woman because I'd been bitten at least, I don't know, a few thousand times by mosquitoes and other stuff. So when I came back my shaman looked at me picking me up at the bottom of the mountain and was like, whoa, this really was a quest. I'm like, yeah. We got some information.

[00:28:26] Suzanne Gerber: I remember before I did my big vision quest a number of years ago, and Oh we had to make I forget the number, 460 something little prayer ties. And we had to hand sew our own clothing that we would wear in the sweat. And there was so much preparation. And my tea, and we didn't eat or drink for 40 hours.

[00:28:47] Suzanne Gerber: And my teacher said, in the Lakota tradition, if you do a vision quest, you actually have to be willing to die.

[00:28:59] Suzanne Gerber: I'm like, okay, I can go 40 hours without water. It's so much better than the dying option. 

[00:29:08] Juliette Karaman: Completely. I remember a few other ladies and I did it with, I think we were like five. And they're like, are you sure you don't want any food? We're like no, no food. Seven days, no food. And then of course for me, it was no water, but it was, it all went perfect.

[00:29:22] Juliette Karaman: And it's actually realizing what are you stepping into? Anyway, we completely digressed. I love how we meander because It's not actually digressing. It's what are people stepping into their purpose into their portal, right? For me, I call it the portal. What is that portal for you? And that's basically what you help people decide if that's what they want.

[00:29:46] Suzanne Gerber: Oh, yeah. Everything is a potential portal and people who don't know how to work with that. term. It's just a gateway. We're always going through gateways and whether we call them initiations or healing crises or just epiphanies or just a change. We're not staying the same. We're not meant to stay the same.

[00:30:09] Juliette Karaman: And that's it. I love that you just normalize it. 

[00:30:11] Suzanne Gerber: Just, it's a fork in the road.

[00:30:13] Juliette Karaman: Yeah. You get left, you get right. Choice is yours. 

[00:30:16] Suzanne Gerber: But I think it's also, and I'm pretty sure you'll agree with me on this, Julia, it's how we choose to see it, right? Because we can make something significant or insignificant. We can make something feel sacred and important.

[00:30:33] Suzanne Gerber: beyond us, with a touch of the divine. Or we can just go through life just, shrugging it off. Oh, that happened and that happened. But if we really stop, for example, just what we talked about, these vision quests, and we think in hindsight, Wow, I did not come out of that on the other side, as the same person that I went in as.

[00:30:56] Juliette Karaman: Yeah. And that's it, right? Where does life actually happen for you? And all the trauma and all the hardships that you may have had, where can you look back at it, having come through it on the other side saying, Oh, and now I help women overcome their trauma, their sexual trauma, their this, their that.

[00:31:17] Juliette Karaman: It's really just beautiful to have that much awareness to, to become aware of what the gift that actually is. 

[00:31:26] Suzanne Gerber: Oh, it's all a gift. And when we can get to that place of understanding. And to me it isn't just, oh, it's something we have to endure to get to the other side. It's part and parcel. of our human experience.

[00:31:41] Suzanne Gerber: We all are on our own hero's journey. What would an action movie be? What would a great work of literature be? What would anything be without conflict, without the monster, right? Without the dragon to slay. This is how we truly become heroic. This is how we become really the protagonist in our own life.

[00:32:03] Suzanne Gerber: And these things that we look at as Anywhere on the continuum from say an inconvenience to a capital T trauma, this is the path that we came in to work with. We have our, you can think of it in any manner of speaking, literal, figurative. We have contracts. We have sole contracts that we come in.

[00:32:26] Suzanne Gerber: There's a mission statement. There's a goal. We sign up for this. And sometimes when we incarnate, we're like wait, there was a mistake. I want to renegotiate this. That was, I didn't realize, I didn't read the fine print, but it's not for nothing. And so many people who, and I'm sure everybody listening can relate to this.

[00:32:47] Suzanne Gerber: So many people feel like I was born into the wrong family. I was born, this is not the family it was meant to have, except from the cosmology that my style of astrology embraces. It's exactly the family. It may not be what your ego wants. Nobody would choose that. These are some very harsh, and I'm not trying to minimize.

[00:33:10] Suzanne Gerber: Pain and suffering are real. I have tremendous empathy for that, but not if we stay stuck in it and stay in a quote unquote victim mentality. We are all heroes. This is our unique set of things to overcome, and we look at someone else and we go, they have it easy. I want their life. We don't know what they're experiencing.

[00:33:29] Suzanne Gerber: We don't know what their challenges are, and we're not meant to have theirs. We're meant to have ours. 

[00:33:36] Juliette Karaman: Gosh, beautiful. That really resonated. Suzanne, where do people find you? Because they'll be like, yes, I want to work with you, I want to know more, give me more. 

[00:33:48] Suzanne Gerber: I can also put, I have a couple things very specifically for folks, but Put it in the show.

[00:33:55] Suzanne Gerber: I'm going to do that. My website, my name is Suzanne with a Z, Gerber, G E R B E R. My website is starsandstoneshealing.

[00:34:07] Suzanne Gerber: com. I've created a number of gifts for different occasions, and I have one about, I call it raising your astrological vibration of how to go from maybe the lower expression of something into the higher, and so I'm offering that to people for absolutely free. They can also, and this is really easy, they can, sometimes people don't know if they want to have a reading, or maybe they don't know their chart, or they wonder if it's a bad time.

[00:34:35] Suzanne Gerber: They should wait till circumstances settle out. I invite people to book a complimentary call with me and this is really easy. My name is Suzanne. It's asksuzanne. com and you go right to my booking calendar. It's complimentary and it's non obligatory and it's just a way to get to know me better and how I work and where our energies mesh.

[00:34:58] Juliette Karaman: I absolutely love this. So for all the listeners that are listening, obviously, everything will be in the show notes. So I'm picking notes and I'll make sure that everything will be in the show notes so that you can hook up with Suzanne, follow her and really get to know her. Her more intimately, and her body of work.

[00:35:18] Suzanne Gerber: Yeah, I also send a, there's not a regular schedule, but I send these newsletters that people really like, because I also had a career as a journalist, so they enjoy how I present the information. It's as entertaining as it is informative, and I also have a private Facebook group for people still on Facebook, yes, and it's called soul.

[00:35:41] Suzanne Gerber: purpose astrology. It's private but any sincere person who wants to join it is welcome to join. And there's over 6, 000 of us in that group. 

[00:35:52] Juliette Karaman: I love it. You've given us a wealth of information and also just not only information, but really like pinpoint how we can use this. Thank you so much for coming on.

[00:36:05] Suzanne Gerber: Thank you so much for having me and inviting me into your beautiful home for a little while. 

[00:36:10] Juliette Karaman: It's been an absolute pleasure. 

[00:36:12] Suzanne Gerber: Thank you.