084 Unleashing Authenticity: Heather Egginton on Living Your Truth and Embracing Your Unique Path

Welcome back to another episode of The Scrumptious Woman. I'm your host, Juliette Karaman, and today, we have an extraordinary guest with us, Heather Egginton. Heather and I met through a mastermind, and I've been captivated by her authenticity, her energy, and her incredible journey. I'm thrilled to share our conversation with you, where we dive deep into being authentic, embracing our true selves, and the power of showing up unapologetically.

Episode Summary
In this heartfelt episode, Heather Egginton shares her journey from the corporate world to becoming a coach who helps others discover their true wealth. We discuss the importance of being authentic, how to embrace who we are without bending to societal pressures, and the profound impact of showing up fully for ourselves and others. Heather’s insights are both inspiring and practical, providing listeners with tools to live more authentically and courageously.

Key Takeaways

1. The Journey to Authenticity:
   • Heather recounts her transition from a high-tech career to a more fulfilling path as a coach and mentor.
   • We explore how embracing authenticity can transform our lives and relationships.
2. The Power of Being:
   • Discussion on how societal expectations often push us to "do" rather than "be."
   • The significance of valuing ourselves for who we are, not just what we do.
3. Navigating Fear and Judgment:
   • Heather shares her experiences of overcoming fear and judgment, both from herself and others.
   • Tips on how to remain true to oneself amidst external pressures.
4. Mentorship and Growth:
   • Insights into the mentor-mentee relationship and how it can facilitate profound personal and professional growth.
   • The importance of trust and truth in guiding and supporting each other.
5. Practical Advice for Authentic Living:
   • Heather provides practical advice on how to live authentically, including embracing our quirks and finding our unique paths.
   • The concept of "Wealth of You" and how tapping into our natural gifts can lead to abundance and fulfilment.

Final Thoughts
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Transcript

The Scrumptious Woman EP84

[00:00:00] Juliette Karaman: All right. Welcome to another episode of The Scrumptious Woman. And I have the incredible Heather Eddington with me. I'm even like, I can't even pronounce it. I'm like, I'm so sorry. The Heather Eddington with us. I'm like, the G's are not coming out. We were together in a mastermind and I have loved your energy.

[00:00:23] Juliette Karaman: I have loved the way that you are So authentic and showing up for yourself and your clients and coaching and multiple businesses, right? And just how you are just authentically you. You're like, this is me. The song that comes up for me is this is me. 

[00:00:42] Heather Egginton: It's actually one of the tracks that I feature in my signature program, Welcoming in the Wealth of You, because it is so true.

[00:00:50] Heather Egginton: How often we think we have to bend and flex ourselves for all of these situations. Take this for an example. I absolutely love freaking spending time with you. And for this conversation to be an out loud one, incredible. Because. Before I would have bended and flexed myself to like suit or do research, I was what does everyone else talk about on here?

[00:01:15] Heather Egginton: And how should I be on here? And I'm just like, no that's not how it goes. We don't prepare and plan ourselves for these occasions. We are the occasion and we are the invitation, aren't we, Juliette? 

[00:01:27] Juliette Karaman: Isn't that beautiful? And I really would love our listeners just to really grasp that we are the invitation and we're just being, right?

[00:01:37] Juliette Karaman: And with, and I've written a whole bunch of posts about this and I don't know if I've posted them or not, but it's all about being. And I've noticed that where this has actually come up with one of my VIP clients and a lot of men where they're so used to doing. They have to perform a certain way, and they get praised by their wives or by their partners for, oh, thank you so much for taking the rubbish out.

[00:02:01] Juliette Karaman: It has me feel like, that you're really taking part of this this relationship, et cetera, et cetera. Advanced communications. But it's very often that we don't even notice or we don't compliment them on who they are being. It's like we and I think that's just been ingrained in the whole culture everywhere in the world, right?

[00:02:22] Juliette Karaman: What do you do? First question people ask, what do you do? It's not who are you being?

[00:02:28] Heather Egginton: Or even, who are you? What's the truth of who you are, right? So Can you imagine? It just gets to the heart of it though, doesn't it? It's look, I'm one of those no BS people. As Juliette, like I think you nicknamed me the truth slayer or something like that. 

[00:02:47] Juliette Karaman: I did.

[00:02:48] Heather Egginton: And what I found in that is actually the more truthful I am with my partner about what's going on in my head, my life, even the conversations that I'm having, which I could tell myself are a bit far out there for him and he wouldn't connect to them. However, actually, just being the invitation to into me, like being that person that invites them in, it's actually all they want.

[00:03:17] Heather Egginton: It's actually all they're waiting for. Let alone gratitude or appreciation for the things they do around the house. It's more just let me in a little bit. Just let me know where you're at. Just allow me to be with you where you are and see all of you so that I can see all of myself. And that. is beautiful.

[00:03:37] Heather Egginton: Because they really do they really, I found this, my partner really sees more in himself when I allow myself to be really fully seen. 

[00:03:48] Juliette Karaman: Isn't it funny, we're all just such mirrors, right? And it's when, and oftentimes it might be the woman, right? In this moment, she comes fully out and it's okay, here I am world.

[00:04:01] Juliette Karaman: Yeah, I'm in Beirut. There's Eid Atta at the moment. So there's a Muslim celebration going on or, feast. And I was walking around without a bra on. So my ex husband's you might want to just get a jacket. It's Eid. It's, remember it's religious. And I was like, ah, okay.

[00:04:19] Juliette Karaman: And normally I might have just No one else is wearing a bra here. What do you mean? I have to dim my light again. And I actually just took it and I noticed that tiny bit of contraction where I was like, Oh my God, I'm wrong. And I was like, no, I'm not. And I also saw it for what he meant to that and not as a criticism where before, yeah, 10 years ago, we were still married or whatever it was 11 years ago, I took everything as a criticism.

[00:04:45] Juliette Karaman: And now it's just Oh yeah, thank you. I hadn't thought about it that way. Thank you. And I was really happy to have a little jacket because it was freezing, the AC on. I forget people put the AC on so loud so hard in restaurants. I was like, Oh, I was happy to have a little jacket. 

[00:05:02] Heather Egginton: Yeah.

[00:05:03] Heather Egginton: So many times in my life, I can remember all the times I had myself feel wrong about me because of the way someone else had received me. Not necessarily because there was anything wrong with me because there isn't anything wrong with me. With us, right? It's just how we are received and what, how perfect someone else's life is compared to ours.

[00:05:26] Heather Egginton: Unfortunately, the more we shine, let's say, the more we step into the truth of who we are it, other people find it a lot easier to bring us down to their level. 

[00:05:37] Juliette Karaman: And actually, 

[00:05:38] Heather Egginton: I totally relate to the contraction piece. I definitely would contract myself in places where it looks like I didn't fit in or didn't belong.

[00:05:49] Heather Egginton: And let's face it, Juliette, I don't necessarily fit in and belong like where you are right now, like it's not your home, is it, I completely get that, the contraction piece where something has been pointed out to you that you could improve on or change about you in that moment. I totally feel you.

[00:06:09] Heather Egginton: And also, the gift of that is to really notice how far we've come into not taking it as a criticism though. 

[00:06:17] Juliette Karaman: Completely. And it was just so cool because I was like, Ah, but yesterday I was at the restaurant and all people, no one was wearing a bra. Now they're all wearing little sundresses. And I was like, ah, and then I thought a bit further.

[00:06:29] Juliette Karaman: I'm like, okay, that was in the Christian part of town and we're going into the Muslim part of town, which are all little nuances and you often overlook them. So I was actually really thankful. I was like, isn't this cool that I can actually now. Take communications for what they are and not to make them about me being wrong.

[00:06:50] Juliette Karaman: And I know that we see this in the coaching world a lot where there are these shiny people and the comparisitis like, yo, I made seven figures and I made eight figures and I made whatever, whatever figures and do as I do and you'll, you'll get the same. Great to look at what people can model for you and that there's she can do it, I can also do it.

[00:07:12] Juliette Karaman: But at the same time, it's, there's also this piece of you're broken, that somehow gets communicated in that. And there's very little people that I find that actually shout out saying, Hey, you're not broken. I can do it. You can do it, right? We can all do it. So let's lift each other up. There's still that comparisitis going on that Oh my God, they're better than I am.

[00:07:38] Heather Egginton: To be honest, Juliet, I think the biggest misconception whether it be the industry we work in or are part of is that,

[00:07:48] Heather Egginton: and let me come from this place because I'm the founder of Wealth Review, which is about homing in on people's natural gifts. Yes. And remind them of what they're made of, right? So coming from that place, there's so much narrative and stories, lies we tell ourselves about what we have to do in order to become XYZ or whatever in, seen as great in our industry or seen as in demand etc.

[00:08:18] Heather Egginton: And I'm little old me or I call myself just an average girl doing amazing things. You're sitting here screaming at somebody. No, you just need to become more of all that you already are. More of all that you already are. Just tap into more of you. That's your wealth frequency, right? That's the wealth of you.

[00:08:40] Heather Egginton: And so many people overlook and think no, there's got to be a different answer out there. There's got to be. a better way or a quicker way, right? Let's go fast here. Let me just coin someone else's way of being and doing in the world. And then that will have me be special and not be the best kept secret etc.

[00:09:01] Heather Egginton: Let me have their secret sauce. Cause all of a sudden my secret sauce is just gone. Like I haven't got it. I'm looking everywhere else for it. And it's no, you've got all of those things and also more when you step into who you really are. Like, I'm telling you, the one weird thing that I singled myself out for so many years.

[00:09:26] Heather Egginton: I didn't go the conventional route, like I'm not a mother, I do not have a mother in the sense of having children of my own, right? I'm the crazy auntie, and I've got seven godchildren and nieces and nephews, like I'm the crazy auntie. And I had myself feel so wrong, incomplete, unaccepted. All of those.

[00:09:50] Heather Egginton: Messages, right? Because of that story. 

[00:09:54] Juliette Karaman: Isn't it crazy? 

[00:09:55] Heather Egginton: Yeah, totally. And I got to the point in my life, probably a year and a half ago, because I've had women come up to me and say, Oh, don't you have children at your age or whatever? And I'd be like no, that past didn't happen for me.

[00:10:11] Heather Egginton: And they were like, I'm really sorry to hear that Heather. 

[00:10:14] Juliette Karaman: Oh, wow. And that's what she's condescending, right? Yeah. What's wrong with you? Instead of being curious, it's hey, did you not ever want to have children? Or is that, what happened there is, if they see that you adore children, like one of my really good friends was dying to have children and her husband didn't, so they agreed not to have children.

[00:10:35] Juliette Karaman: But you see her with kids and you see her with her godchildren and her nieces. It's oh my goodness, I'm like. And I was just, I just asked her at one point, I'm like, Hey what happened there? What, I see that you love kids. What was the reason that you didn't have any? But it's so fucking condescending to say, poor you.

[00:10:54] Heather Egginton: But it's the judgment of it as well, isn't it? The judgment, the jury is out. If you haven't done what I've done, then let me judge you for what you don't have that I've got. 

[00:11:06] Juliette Karaman: Judging is one of the biggest things. I remember being in my first coaching program and I would travel to New York once a month for a three, four, four day immersion.

[00:11:16] Juliette Karaman: And I remember in our, I think it was the first or second weekend, no first weekend, like second or third day, they told us that every time that you're judging and actually judging in your mind, you just get up and say, yeah, I'm judging. And it just took the taboo out of that you're judgmental little fuck, right?

[00:11:38] Juliette Karaman: Let's be honest. Our minds can be really judgmental little fuck. And then every time that someone would speak or that something was going on, we'd have someone in One part of the auditorium saying I'm judging there's someone else and actually it just became like really funny and it was like everyone noticed that at least one person got up once or twice a day saying fuck we're judging and not that it's bad but just this is coming up it's awareness of our patterns right.

[00:12:05] Heather Egginton: Yeah the aware hole I call myself the aware. I like that. Yeah totally one of those. Because I used to, look, the secret is I used to judge parents who treated their children not the best. So it's not like I was beautiful on one side and they weren't there was parts of me that did that as well.

[00:12:26] Heather Egginton: And the beauty of all of that experience was one, accepting I am who I am, like, and I've got what I've got and what I haven't got just accepting that's how it is and not needing it to make me feel complete or whole, and that was the biggest thing because harsh or not.

[00:12:45] Heather Egginton: We do look at a lot of other things outside of ourselves, our natural selves to have us feel whole 

[00:12:52] Juliette Karaman: and complete. 

[00:12:53] Heather Egginton: And it's oh no I'm, I can sit there now really comfortably and say, oh, actually. I am the mother nature, like I am, the mother of all, like I am, like I can own all of those things and not feel in any way incomplete or unacceptable about who I am because of the choices that I made, the experiences that I've had, all of those things.

[00:13:21] Juliette Karaman: Amazing. Makes such 

[00:13:22] Heather Egginton: a difference. Makes such a difference. 

[00:13:24] Juliette Karaman: Getting to that point. 

[00:13:26] Heather Egginton: Yeah, because the messaging right now I'm not sure where this is coming from in me, Juliette. So maybe it's you, right? Because you're a activator around me.

[00:13:37] Heather Egginton: You're welcome. Homaya. It's just, we do, though, is a The question I ask myself whenever I put a message out into the world, and I'm going to be emotional because it doesn't matter that much. What is this programming, conditioning, or influencing someone else to think, believe about themselves? And I think anyone of influence which is pretty much anyone over the age of 80, in a position of influence, it's like who am I being in this moment that would, and what would that program or condition in somebody else to have them feel as though they feel wrong about themselves because they haven't got this, or they're not being this way.

[00:14:22] Heather Egginton: And it's like, when we see that that people can read messages, say, on my Facebook page that say, Harsh or not, but you'll never be accepted if you are looking to be identified as anything other than yourself. 

[00:14:37] Juliette Karaman: And it's such a good point. And especially, I don't know why this is coming up, but listen, we're going with the flow, right?

[00:14:43] Juliette Karaman: This is how this works. But especially with, queer and bi and gender neutral and all of this happening in the world and different religions, different races, it's just The identities that we identify as just isn't that important. It's just someone's thought. It's okay, I'm going to be a Caucasian woman, but I might identify as something completely different.

[00:15:13] Juliette Karaman: And are you not going to accept me because of, who I am being, right? And it's just it's so true that, we, Judge others, oftentimes, because we're not familiar with it. And it's out of our norm. But does it make anyone less than who we are? It's that superiority thing. And I'm like, I really understand this whole, I'm starting to understand this whole white privilege.

[00:15:43] Juliette Karaman: Yesterday I had one of my mastermind ladies say, it's like, she said she, she was talking about the white gaze. And I was like, wow, she's I've always had a feeling that white people looked at me in a certain way. And I just said, thank you for bringing awareness for me to that because I had no idea that this is how some people perceive it.

[00:16:10] Juliette Karaman: And it's opening our eyes and opening our hearts and opening our souls really to what's going on in the world and what's going on around us and we may not be able to fix everything nor do we need to but it's bringing that awareness and getting rid of all those interference thought forms and emotions and everything that's in the way and then all of a sudden it's oh I can have pure love for people no matter how they are.

[00:16:36] Heather Egginton: Yeah no matter how they are what they've done. What they haven't done. Yeah. A hundred percent. I think also the difference in that is I don't want someone like to walk around feeling like they have to be a certain way. And they're not because that they believe that's the way they're going to be accepted.

[00:16:57] Juliette Karaman: And that's the 

[00:16:58] Heather Egginton: difference. 

[00:16:59] Heather Egginton: If we talking about, homing in on people's natural gifts and take away our identities all together. We are all love. We are all truth. We are all compassion, empathy, all those natural, every single person, no matter what they identify as, that is at the core of them.

[00:17:19] Juliette Karaman: Yeah. It might be a little bit hidden, there might be a few layers on top. It's let's scrape away all that grime and let's get there. Ooh, there's a heart there. Let's see it. And sometimes you have to have humor about it, right? With people. 

[00:17:34] Heather Egginton: But this, yes, because It is only societal messaging.

[00:17:39] Heather Egginton: It is only what's gone on for decades, generations. It's just Same story, different decade. And if you can't see through that is the reason why someone like me is here. Because it's I'm really sorry, you can tell me that you feel like you lack in this, or that you don't have this capability, and I'm gonna sit here and tell you, you have all of those things and more.

[00:18:05] Heather Egginton: whatever you identify as. Like they're all, we're all the same, right? We're same but different, I think, as they say in Thailand when you want to buy something from the store, right? 

[00:18:18] Juliette Karaman: Completely, I love it. Same, different. Yeah. Yes. Ah, I love this. So tell me a little bit about you coaching people back to the wealth of them, right?

[00:18:30] Juliette Karaman: To their prosperity, to their bigness that they are. What are? Say three of the things that you want, that you bring to their awareness. I was going to say questions, but that just makes it very cerebral. I want to actually just, what are the things that you bring to people's awareness? 

[00:18:47] Heather Egginton: I think the first thing because it underpins a lot of the spaces I create would be answers lead you to closed doors and questions lead you to open rooms.

[00:19:00] Heather Egginton: That's a good 

[00:19:01] Juliette Karaman: one. Say that again. 

[00:19:03] Heather Egginton: Answers lead you to closed doors and questions lead you to open rooms. 

[00:19:08] Juliette Karaman: Isn't that wonderful? That's so true. Stay curious, right? 

[00:19:12] Heather Egginton: Yeah. And I think because that underpins the way I create spaces, then really I am only mainly there as a guide. I don't teach people how to do the thing, how to be the thing, how to get the thing right.

[00:19:29] Heather Egginton: I am there to guide them. Into teaching themself how to get the thing, how to be the thing, right? So I think the second one is definitely always a guide. There is nothing.

[00:19:42] Heather Egginton: Can I say nothing? There isn't one ounce or part of me that would like to teach anyone how to be me. No, thank you.

[00:19:50] Juliette Karaman: Isn't that wonderful? 

[00:19:52] Heather Egginton: And I think that the third thing is really allowing, opening people up to really experience all of their, Energy, all of their body really connect to who they are, what it is they really are here to do in this world and create. And really allow them the space to tune into that and really see and realize their literally pure potential. 

[00:20:19] Juliette Karaman: I love that. That's how I 

[00:20:19] Heather Egginton: see it. Yeah. That's how I see every single person. No matter if you meet me in the street or if you're in a space with me, then someone turns me like a shinami knife. I just cut through The the stories, right? And go straight to the heart of Oh no, this is what you're really here for.

[00:20:38] Heather Egginton: Okay. 

[00:20:40] Juliette Karaman: I love it. And how do your clients take it when you tell them? It's when they come Oh, my life is, my life is like good. I'm divorcing my husband and I need money and right. So the story comes up. How do you like, how are you that truth Slayer, that blade. 

[00:20:56] Heather Egginton: I think the best question that I ever ask somebody or inquiry I make with somebody is, okay, if all of that, was fine, if all your circumstances were perfect and amazing, how would you feel about yourself now?

[00:21:14] Juliette Karaman: Catch one. And I'd actually really like the listeners just to take a moment and think about that. If all those circumstances, all the things that are going wrong with your life or right with your life, because let's just, let's charge either way. But if all of that is perfect, tip top condition, how would you feel about yourself?

[00:21:34] Juliette Karaman: Okay. Hello. We're dropping that. You notice it, right? The energy is just gone. It's one of my questions, what I ask my VIPs and my people in my masterminds, like you're on your deathbed and you have your grandma, grandson, granddaughter, whatever. So a friend next to you, and they're young. What are you going to tell them to do more of?

[00:21:59] Juliette Karaman: And that's it, right? And everyone is live more, have more fun, believe in yourself. It's all these things, it's if you could look back on hindsight, what is it? So this question is so good, what you said, just drop everything, everything's perfect. Now what do you love about yourself or what? 

[00:22:18] Heather Egginton: I love this.

[00:22:19] Heather Egginton: Yeah. We could have an whole episode on just questions that go to things, because the other one that's really poignant is what if you could never get anything wrong? What are we actually talking about here? It's 

[00:22:34] Juliette Karaman: It's so funny, right? Because it's such a mindfuck. And then we just really realized that if we're bringing this energy in ourselves.

[00:22:43] Juliette Karaman: And then if we can let go of that, I keep telling people, unclench your butthole. It's just unclench it. And then it's because we're all so tight and our body really holds the score, right? Of all the events, of all the things that might've been traumatic, that might've, It's loaded in somehow.

[00:23:00] Juliette Karaman: It could have just been the way someone looked at you, someone said something like ticked your fingers. No, not that. It loads into the body and we hold on to that and it becomes stored emotions and then it just tightens everything up. And then as long as we can let go of that, then what is available?

[00:23:17] Juliette Karaman: It's Oh, But life could be fun, though. I could have lots of joy. And it's then I wouldn't really care about what anyone else thinks. Or I'd pull my kids out of school and we'd just go and travel the world. Oh, I can do that too. But it's like we've just been, like, put like these blinders on that it's supposed to all be one way.

[00:23:38] Heather Egginton: Yeah. My big mission, I think, is really to be able to touch, influence maybe or create a way in which at least a million people are creating their life above the invisible line. 

[00:23:55] Juliette Karaman: Beautiful. And what's the invisible line? What does that mean to you? 

[00:23:59] Heather Egginton: Prevalent to me because of stories I've been passed and gifted on to me through my generations.

[00:24:08] Heather Egginton: But I think the first one is creating from a place of love and abundance versus lack and scarcity, for example. And being in a position where there's no limits. The lid's off. There's totally, it's a free reign, like your cone of possibility is wide, long. and deep, yeah. I wasn't making a sexual.

[00:24:33] Juliette Karaman: Ah, okay. No, we're not getting there. Not this episode. 

[00:24:38] Heather Egginton: But yeah, just to have it be, there's no, process, strategy, structure to keep you boxed in, like just be free and just really be comfortable with trusting that everything is perfect with you and everything that's happening with you, for you, to you.

[00:24:57] Heather Egginton: Right now it's 

[00:24:58] Juliette Karaman: perfect. It's interesting, right? Because I see you should put a trigger warning on that one. Yeah. But you see so many people's use my strategy and you can get to where I am. What about the only strategy is to come back to yourself time and time again. This is like my mastermind people were like, Oh, when I signed up I thought you were going to teach me all those strategies to get to where you got.

[00:25:23] Juliette Karaman: And so you did. And then you told. But there's this one and that one and that one that I all tried, they didn't work for me. So this one works for me, but I'm going to teach you all of them and then you can just figure out for yourself which one works best for you. And they're like, holy fuck, what you've done in six months is we're actually trusting ourselves completely.

[00:25:41] Juliette Karaman: Yeah, and the nervous system has just like all of a sudden expanded and we're like, oh, this is fun being visible. I like it. Exactly. That's my zone of genius. I can teach you what I've been told and what worked for me and what didn't work for me. And then for you, it's to figure out what works for you and what you like and what turns you on, what you have fun with.

[00:26:02] Heather Egginton: Yeah. Is that so beautiful? Because it's how I term the word expert is it's about being in a position where you can experiment and experience everything and then go, Oh, this is my lane. 

[00:26:15] Juliette Karaman: Completely. And it might be your lane only for five minutes. And then you're like, Oh, okay. I didn't like that lane so much.

[00:26:21] Juliette Karaman: I'm going to get to the back lane or I'm going to go to the front lane. It's and there, Just the shame, the shame that people feel that not everything may have gone as fast as they wanted or they didn't get as, as successful or as this or that or they're not as prominent. And I'm just like, where the hell did this shame come from?

[00:26:42] Juliette Karaman: And can we just And 

[00:26:44] Heather Egginton: who says? Who decides? 

[00:26:47] Juliette Karaman: I know. Who 

[00:26:48] Heather Egginton: chooses that? Who decides who decides whether you're enough, whether you're successful? Who decides that? Certainly isn't anyone else but me. 

[00:26:56] Juliette Karaman: But that's it. So you actually just meet them in their shame. It's so I hear there's some shame coming up for you.

[00:27:03] Juliette Karaman: I'm like, yeah. And I'm like, okay, where are you feeling that in their body, your body? And they're like, oh there's tightness in my chest. I'm like, good. Feel that tightness in your chest. No, it's too much. I'm like, We're saying it too much. You can feel it. I'm here feeling it with you. And that's it.

[00:27:17] Juliette Karaman: And then it's just being with people, right? 

[00:27:21] Heather Egginton: So interesting. This is something I've just learned totally now from you, Juliette, is like some conversations I have with people, they want to tell me all of their past experiences. Which is great. And they also want to tell me like, that what they're feeling about those etc.

[00:27:41] Heather Egginton: Sometimes I'm like, you know what? We don't have to go there if you don't want. Let's just go and create bypass the mind a little bit, right? Because as we both know it's the event and not, and then the narrative that we put around that if we experience something that's upsetting or traumatic. But it's we don't have to go there we could just we could bypass the mind and all of those things, and we could just go either straight to the body like you say, but in a, next to the heart, or the birth centre specifically, and what I've found in doing that, actually, this sounds quite funny if I say it like this, but we spend less time together.

[00:28:25] Juliette Karaman: Oh yeah, absolutely. You don't need people coming back for three years in a row, every week. It's just okay, three months, you're done. Some people like to come back because they just want to be mentored, but then it's okay come back once a month. We'll have a call once a month and be in my programs if you want to.

[00:28:41] Juliette Karaman: And they're like, yeah, perfect. But that's it, you bypass the, because if we could have thought our way out of it, say money trouble or sexual violence or anything, and that just, The monkey brain keeps bringing it up and what's gonna happen next? Feeling fearful. If we could have thought our way out of it we would have.

[00:29:00] Juliette Karaman: Bringing it to the body and actually just noticing what's going on there and then bringing in that safety and then all of a sudden the mind goes like Oh, my vigilance center is not up. It's Oh, now I can actually experience this and I can call into how I'd like to feel. And now I'm like, Oh, now I'm already actually living my future.

[00:29:23] Juliette Karaman: And then before I know it, it's actually there. 

[00:29:25] Heather Egginton: Yeah. It's almost not so much detaching ourself from experiences that we've previously have. But it's more detaching the parts of ourselves in our body that we have still held accountable. That's what it feels like. Yeah, that's so beautiful. I've never experienced one of your spinal attunements.

[00:29:47] Heather Egginton: I need to put it on my wish list, right? However, I realized that once you hit like a truth bump in somebody, that also releases. tension where we're feeling tight in the body or restricted somewhere. And what I've found in my experiences and the work I do and my whole life actually is that most of those stored tensions, emotions, etc, are actually down to love or money.

[00:30:20] Heather Egginton: Our desire, want, and even from a validation perspective to have both of those be present in our life constantly to prop us up what I've found has been quite a crutch, like in more ways than one. And I don't know whether that resonates with you or not, Julia, just 

[00:30:40] Juliette Karaman: It's interesting, right? Because if you think about it, we're all animals, humans, animals.

[00:30:45] Juliette Karaman: But we have, if you look at the animals, how when one of them has gotten frightened, they shake. Yeah, I've got a whippet. You've got dogs. Whippets are like the cats of the dogs in dog world. They are, yeah. And they shake a lot. When they get frightened, they shake. But it means like when a door slams, they shake, go back to their basket, absolutely fine.

[00:31:08] Juliette Karaman: The door slams the next day, they're not going to think oh my god, I can't go next to the door because it's going to slam. They'll just go out there, do their own thing again. And they'll shake it out again. But you and I, we have a car crash. We get up, say, could I have your number? And, let's exchange insurance papers.

[00:31:27] Juliette Karaman: And actually the body just wants to either shake, run, freeze, or go into one of those nervous system reactions, right? Responses. And we don't allow ourselves to do that. So it then loads in and it loads in and we brace and we brace and we don't know it, but before we know it, we've become like an onion.

[00:31:46] Juliette Karaman: with I don't know, 50 layers, and that's why I love spinal so much, or I love energetic work, because we carry a lot of those emotions in and around the spinal cord and in the different bodies, and we just do a bit of a movement, a bit of a release on them, and all of a sudden you'll see like this. Spinal wave.

[00:32:07] Juliette Karaman: You'll see breath starting to move in places that it wasn't before. 

[00:32:11] Heather Egginton: Wow. 

[00:32:12] Juliette Karaman: People may move or they may not move, but all of a sudden it's like, Oh, there was a bit of stuckness there. And all of a sudden there's a slight expansion and it doesn't have to be very much. Some people are deep in like in a state that they just need to be moved very little.

[00:32:28] Juliette Karaman: And this is where it also comes in. It's it's not up to me. The client actually, their body and their energy teaches me where to put my hands. And then once enough, it's like I come off. 

[00:32:40] Heather Egginton: Wow. Yes. Yes. I can see it because it's

[00:32:46] Heather Egginton: every time we give ourselves the opportunity as humans in this world right now, like every time we give ourselves the opportunity to clear. Something we expand which is what you just explained from Spinal Achievement work. And then when we create from that expanded place, 

[00:33:05] Juliette Karaman: everything becomes 

[00:33:06] Heather Egginton: possible, right?

[00:33:07] Heather Egginton: I love it when we say it together. Everything becomes possible. It's just like, why do people not choose that though, Juliet? I haven't worked. a day in my life since I left my corporate job. 

[00:33:20] Juliette Karaman: Amazing. 

[00:33:20] Heather Egginton: But like work to then felt like it was hard work. I'm not going to lie. Like working on myself to get myself into a clear and good positions.

[00:33:30] Heather Egginton: That's hard work, but not like a physical exertion kind of. To the point, burnout or anything like that. 

[00:33:38] Juliette Karaman: Because we're not taught this, we're not taught this in school. Meditation, mindfulness is starting to come into school. But it's all about, if I look at my kids, it was like, I never scolded them for some, for who they are, bad behavior.

[00:33:55] Juliette Karaman: It's no, I didn't that behavior. Go, yeah, go sit in the naughty step. Yes. My kids were in the 2000s. It was naughty step. I got to look at it now and go, whew. Okay. As a parent, you don't know all of these things. So you'd always praise or scold their behavior. So it's always about doing.

[00:34:17] Juliette Karaman: Instead of actually who are you being? 

[00:34:20] Heather Egginton: Yeah, what's this teaching them right now? Yeah, asking them. Yeah, I love it. I have the same with, I've got a foster dog at the moment, Juliet. It's such, if anyone's ever been on a journey, With a rescue dog or a dog that's not necessarily being brought up in a way that would help them and allow them to step into their potential as a dog would be right.

[00:34:46] Heather Egginton: So three years this dog's not seen outside. It's only been crated or in the lounge or the garden. It's never been out of the house. Yeah, so I was like, yeah, I'll put my hat in the ring for that, because I'm crazy like that. He'd been surrendered back to the charity Sadie's Stray Dog Rescue, and I was like, that's where my Tessie resident dog's come from.

[00:35:08] Heather Egginton: Oh, I'll go in for that. Yeah, that'll be fun. Literally, I faced fear in the face every single day I woke up to this dog. He absolutely hated my partner I understand. And every day I was having to clear and get myself into a place of love again. They don't remember the day before, right? So it's like starting afresh every day.

[00:35:29] Heather Egginton: And your example we're saying, they don't teach children in school about Let's say the other way of life, the other way of living from a creator perspective. I actually literally relived my life through this dog for the last six months of having to learn for him how to rehabilitate.

[00:35:53] Heather Egginton: A lost soul, like how to rehabilitate, support, like shift, transform even, like to the point where they were up for doing whatever they, we wanted them to do, freedom wise. And what I will say about that is, especially from the children going to school perspective is, what I found is let's say, dogs were put in their own natural environment with other dogs, they would learn a lot quicker about what works, what doesn't, like, how to behave here, how not to behave and I feel like, in school, the segregation or the divide sometimes in terms of what subjects someone's taking I feel if we put kids in a home for a year to like support and help themselves and nurture themselves and get them into a place where they're learning from each other, I'm like, actually from an emotional intelligence kind of connection perspective, I'm like, that would be a really good experiment to see the difference.

[00:36:53] Juliette Karaman: Completely, because also if you think about kids, and I love that story about your dog how it completely like has helped you look at things differently and show up in a different way, but also if you look at kids until the age of six or so they're like sponges they just you know until age of Two, they just take everything in like they are, and then they're still sponges.

[00:37:12] Juliette Karaman: So that's why, they pick up languages really easily, but they also pick up all the beliefs and all the habits of the parents and of people around them, and they don't really question it. Anyway, we have meandered beautifully for, yeah, for quite a while. So tell me, how can people get in touch with you if they're like, yes, this sounds wonderful.

[00:37:35] Juliette Karaman: I actually, I'm completely open to learning about myself and who, what the wealth of me is. Let us know. 

[00:37:43] Heather Egginton: Yeah, the best. Yeah. So very professional profile on LinkedIn. Because that's just how it's been navigated. So you can find me Heather Egginton on there. Yeah. I'm probably a bit more provocative on Facebook, so you can find me on there under Heather Egginton as well.

[00:38:01] Heather Egginton: So there's the best place for us to connect. And I do have a website, which I'll, I can share with you for the show notes. 

[00:38:08] Juliette Karaman: Absolutely. They'll be in the show notes. So yes. 

[00:38:11] Heather Egginton: Yeah. And people can subscribe to the newsletter on there if they if they read the stories in there and connect to that and think, Oh my gosh, I want to be in this person's world a bit more.

[00:38:20] Heather Egginton: I'm gonna do that. 

[00:38:22] Juliette Karaman: I love it. So everything to find Heather will be in the show notes. So please give her a follow and please share this episode with whoever is, wherever you feel that. Just needs a little morsel of it. I just needed that tiny little code that we have transmitted today. Heather, it has been a pleasure, my love.

[00:38:43] Juliette Karaman: Thank you so much for coming in. Love every second, Julia. Thank you for having me.